In the Garage News, Views, & Eve.. Should the U.S. Government bail out the Big 3?
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Should the U.S. Government bail out the Big 3?
13 months ago  ::  Nov 14, 2008 - 10:23AM #1
Otis
Posts: 48

Wow, what do you do when you are hurting in the 'ol pocket book and it looks like your Uncle with deep pockets isn't even willing to help you out?


It will be intersting to see in the coming days if the U.S. Government is willing to throw some money toward the Big 3 Auto Makers to help them through this difficult financial times. Personally, I think that it is crazy to ask the U.S. taxpayers to give their hard-earned dollars to help out these massive companies. If they haven't set aside some funds for a rainy day like the rest of us little guys have to, then I say Tough-Luck!


Do you think the U.S. should help bail out U.S. Automakers?


13 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2008 - 11:46PM #2
alan
Posts: 5

I am not really sure. I think they would probably just use that up and then be back at the same spot. They need to stop paying thier CEO'S 20 million dollars a year. Henry Ford, Walter Chrysler and William Durant must be rolling in their graves. Although I am known mostly as a Ford guy, I would hate to live in a world where any of them would cease to exist. 

12 months ago  ::  Nov 30, 2008 - 11:17AM #3
Dan
Posts: 3

While I strongly believe that our country needs to re-invest and re-build our manufacturing capabilities, you can't fix stupid.  We know that with a strong leader,  Ioccoca, Chrysler not only repaid their LOWN, but also paid interest on it.  Maybe we could try that.  The factors that led to the current mess can be debated while the industry crumbles.  I do not think we can afford to let that happen.  However, I would like to know if we all realize that the Government's "Deep Pockets", are really Our own pockets!  As for me, well my pockets are getting kinda worn-out


Dan

11 months ago  ::  Dec 26, 2008 - 10:59PM #4
Singlefinger Speed Shop
Posts: 4

Whew, Detroit finally got a small LOAN from Washington!   That ought to keep things moving in the manufacturing sector for a while, but the US is not out of the woods yet.


The current venom that the Congress has been spewing at the UAW & the auto company management is baffling to me.  If the OEMs dump all of their pensioners, then those retirement checks will come from the Fed Pension Guarantee Board, which is almost busted right now.  The retirees also land in the already stressed Medicare/Medicaid systems.   Currently, GM alone pays out over $5BILLION per year & that cost would get tossed in the lap of the US taxpayers.


 


IMHO, the real reasons that the entire US manufactiring sector is in trouble is fairly easy to understand, but has little to do with Chrysler, Ford, or GM mgmt, but a lot to do with Washington:


1) $4.00 per gallon gas changed consumer buying habits overnight.  If gas stayed @ $2.00, the US auto companies would have been "printing money" with their current fleet of cars & trucks.  How many folks would have bought the new V-8 Mustang, Challenger, or SUV instead of that cramped little POS econo-box they have now??  The OEMs simply cannot shift product in a few months, but that's what Congress expected.  Congress was of no help & got no remedy for the country, when they subpeonaed Big Oil last year.


2)  For decades, the "Fools on the Hill" have steadfastly refused to regulate the banking system & look what happened.  Those greedy bankers grenaded the banking system, we BAILED THEM OUT,  & now we can't get them to restart loans to consumers.  If it requires a 700 credit score to buy a new car, our economy will languish for quite a while.


3)  Costs & complexity of EPA, NHTSA, & other Federal regulations have escalated every year that just adds cost to the window sticker.  The Gov't often requires stupid things, like the new edict to make ALL power windows have an anti-pinch sensor in them (for 09), so that will add $60-$120 to the price of a car for that technology   Or despite this being the age of super-computers, in order to achieve a Gov't approval for a new car design it still requires that 22 vehicles be crash tested (prototype cars can cost upwards of $400K each).  We can't forget to include the new push for electronic stability control that is gaining momentum.  The list is staggering & endless.


4)  Tax law loopholes for offshoring our manufacturing base to China.  They dump cheap s**t here without any import duties & we cannot do the same there.  Chinese law requires that EVERYTHING sold in that country meet their domestic content requirements (ie 85%-92% in automobiles).  The global playing field is still not level.The USA is the ONLY country that unconditionally embraces Free Trade to our own detriment.  Many of our trading partners don't & add cost penalties to our products to prevent them from being competitive in those overseas markets.  Congress needs to require that their goods get treated in the same manner here.


 


You're right we can't fix stupid, we need to vote them out of office!

11 months ago  ::  Dec 28, 2008 - 4:54PM #5
Dan
Posts: 1

Nope.. if we bail them out next the "Garden of the Month" will be asking for a hand out as well.  We should not have "bailed out" anyone.  Who bails us out when we don't have the money??  No one!!  Let the big boys stand on there own.  If they are paying to much to the CEO then cut his salary or fire him and let the President of the company handle it!  If they are paying their employees way to much then maybe it is time for a wake up call for them as well.  Like most of the country they should be greatful they have a job!!  There are hundreds of employees waiting in line to do their jobs for much less money!

11 months ago  ::  Jan 05, 2009 - 2:32PM #6
Jim
Posts: 9

I agree with Dan. The government should not be in teh business of bailing anybody out. Next thing that will happen is that we (the taxpayers) will have to bail the government out again in the form of higher taxes!

10 months ago  ::  Feb 06, 2009 - 8:34PM #7
John
Posts: 22

I agree for the most part that they should be left to wither and die,


BUT; we can not do that, did you know that the automakers create roughly 25% of the Govs total revenues?


There is a serious saying in this case, **** rolls downhill, which is what it is doing, reports today, 598,000


laid off in January of 2009.


"""With a big smile"""", Toyota laid off 4000 workers in January 09 and lost 1.8 BILLION dollars, they have not lost


money since 1950.


Yes, greed, CEO's, Unions and much more contributed.


Nothing against a Union worker though, as the Unions kept us from working for .10 cents an hour, BUT, the times


have changed and we need to make concession's


Each car contains jobs for truckers, tire manufacturer's, glass manufacturer's, engine part manufacturer's,


upholstery manufacturer's, battery manufacturer's, new car salesman and on and on and on and on>>>>>>


If they fail and do not get picked back up with very strict regulation, expect a full blown depression that will be


beyond every bodies imagination.


The DIRTY bankers, yeah, they created part of it>>>> the rest was our own greed in credit extension and keeping


up with the JONES'S.


Lets hope that our new President can work magic, he did just stipulate that no one receiving money from the bailout


can make over 500K a year and can not sell stock from the company they receive for 6 years after leaving, that


should thwart and burn some of the greedy B---tards ass's as a start!!!!!!!!!!!


 


 

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