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Rare Bugatti fetches $4.4 million at auction. Was it worth it?
1 year ago  ::  Feb 09, 2009 - 12:49PM #1
Arkieditor
Posts: 56

An ultra-rare Bugatti that was recently discovered in a garage in Great Britain for 50 years sold at an auction in Paris for about $4.4 million Friday.
The 1937 Bugatti Type 57S changed hands at Bonhams' Retromobile car show and sale in Paris for a 3.4 million euros. The previous owner had been Dr. Harold Carr, whose family sold the car after his death. Carr, who died in 2007, was an orthopedic surgeon who drove the car for several years, but he stopped driving it and put the car in storage in the early 1960s. It was stored in his garage in Gosforth, near Newcastle in northern England.

The was originally owned by Earl Howe, a famous British racer car driver. Following World War II, , the Type 57S was sold through Continental Cars to a Mr J. P. Tingay in 1947. Tingay brought the car to "SC" specification by fitting a Marshall K200 supercharger. M. H. Ferguson bought the car from Tingay in 1950. By 1954 it was part of Lord Ridley’s collection. Carr then acquired it in 1955


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What do you all think, was it really worth that much?


 

1 year ago  ::  Feb 10, 2009 - 7:38AM #2
John
Posts: 23

Arkieditor,


Just reflects back to what I wrote in a post here, the ABC guys will go to whatever price it takes.


Bugatti's are quite impressive, handsome and rare automobiles as a whole.


Many Bugatti's have acquired higher prices at auction and in private sales.


I like to place the importance of an automobile first.


Look at the one German racer that was hidden away for many many years because of WWII, 8 Million dollars?


The originals in design, just as a Rembrandt or Van Gogh painting bring all the money, the same can be said for


very desirable automobiles.


There are no armored cars in a funeral procession, can't take it with you!!!

1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2009 - 1:22PM #3
Todd
Posts: 25

Hello again John, in this case your Rembrandt painting analogy is absolutely right.  Classics (big C) from the Thirties are just like that, expensive high quality works of art custom made by craftsmen (artists, sort of?) for wealthy benefactors (customers). 


This is as opposed to high dollar musclecar speculators of the last few years.  I have always liked musclecars, and as a young enthusiast they were attainable to me so I had a lot of interest in them.  But my take on Classics is that they were the aristocrats of cars, beautiful, elite, and rare even then.  A Million Dollar Hemi Cuda rolled down the assembly line with 50 other E Body cars every hour, and the next one off was often a secretary car with a slant six.  Even a Mopar fan should admit these were cars of mediocre quality and usually cheap appointments.  I like them myself, but I can't concede that car is a work of art. 


I like your photo symbol, by the way, now THAT one is rolling art.


 

1 year ago  ::  Feb 11, 2009 - 8:29PM #4
John
Posts: 23

Todd,


I do so agree, Many of the Old Automobiles are works of art, their style and grace is unsurpassed.


The newer modern day automobiles are usually quite tasteless in style.


I would bet that if a person were to take 40 typical new cars, line them up, strip their names and


badges and offer $100. cash to anyone that could correctly name them all, YOU would not loose your money!!!


There are exceptions naturally, some Ferrari's, Mustangs, Aston Martins, Challengers, Vettes, Bugatti, Bentley,


Lamborghini, Rolls Royce etc.


In all sincerety, we have used up most potential designs.


Makes one wonder what we will end up with?


I can see why many manufacturerer's use nostalgic style in their designs, kind of keeps a sense of origin to


their name and makes.


Chip Foose seems to have a flair, in a few of his designs and builds, that remind me of the old masters style.


I have a picture that I sent in that should be posted soon, it brings forth an early futuristic style


that many of the greats copied, can't wait to hear what you guys and gals think.


 

1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2009 - 10:31AM #5
Todd
Posts: 25

Hello again John, your mention of Chip Foose brings up a personal quandry I have on the subject.  I am something of a purist and do not like street rods because of (to me) the offenses they they have represented for so many old cars.  However, as a Classic car historian I cannot dispute that the street rod practice is not that much different than a wealthy car owner of the 1920s and 1930s buying a cowl & chassis and having a coachbuilder build a custom body for it.  It leaves me with a weak arguement to make.  


The style of new cars is a stickier question.  In any given era there is always a natural design similarity if for no other reason that (Chrysler Airflow) people are skeptical of buying anything too radically different.  This can be illustrated in the Forum where we try to ID old cars of the teens and 1920s with limited success.  You are right, of course, in what you say about the current crop of lookalike cars, and I also wonder what is the next move? 


My favorite cars are those from the 1950's when very bold styling changes occurred every year in one make or another, and I think the modern car business just cannot afford to be so daring.  I think sometimes about GM and Ford at that time and how far they have come from that marketing model.  The idea that Chevy, Pontiac, Olds, Buick and Cadillac would all produce their own chassis and engines and that Fisher Body would produce A, B, and C bodies, with 2-3 makes per body, new fenders and quarter panels for everyone every year and each a complete redesign every 3 years or sooner just boggles my mind.  The 1957 Pontiacs had 33 interior codes (approx 7 different styles, most with at least four colors each) and 23 paint colors, which were usually two toned.  The other GM makes had at least that many variations and they all changed every year!  Unbelievable!  I am currently driving a 2008 Dodge Avenger, available in 8 colors, with 3 interiors in 2 colors each.  Those paints are all used on other Dodges and the interior materials are too and they do not differ by much.  And this is better variety than most.  I would guess that 80% of all Avengers cover 4-5 colors (White, Silver, Blue, Gray and sometimes Maroon) and 2 interiors (Dark Slate Gray or Dark & Light Slate Gray 2 tone), and these are the same colors used on this car this year.  No wonder there is so little variety on the road today.  Of course even GM realized shortly after that it was all too much, but they sure made it work for a long time and it would add a little more excitement today.         


 

1 year ago  ::  Feb 12, 2009 - 3:05PM #6
John
Posts: 23

Todd,


I myself follow the more original, the better.


I have had many 50's era automobiles, I do understand your passion with them.


 


You know though, many people do like the Customs and Hot Rods, yeah, quite a few have been hot rodded, but there


is still a plentiful supply.


Thats what makes our Hobbie so strong together with many good people involved.


I must confess , I do have a one off early custom, small in size and in dire shape, part 34 Ford, part 54 stud roof


and balance hand crafted and formed. I beleive value's may increase for the real early, rembrandts, of early Hot


Rodding and Customs, look at Barris's creations for one!! Do have another early30's one off, it's way cooool.


 


Yeah, it is scary to think what the manufacturerer's will be pushing at us next, maybe a star ship looking car powered


by a miniscule part of a spent nuclear rod ???


Hell, it will even glow at night, the younger generation would love it, >>>now, if we can just figure out how to


make the tires burn and >>>>>>>


Maybe they will offer us a huge selection of 50's ext colors with several 50's Interior colors, who knows, they might


even offer a Chrome ext package group.


Glad to see that they are putting chrome back on new cars, it's about time!!!!!


Till next time

1 year ago  ::  Feb 13, 2009 - 6:43PM #7
Biff
Posts: 2

Regarding the Bugatti, wasn't there something said once about a fool & their money are soon parted?   It may be unique and technologically advanced for it's time, but there's certainly nothing      aesthetically pleasing about it, IMHO.  These are the people who ruin the hobby for the little people.

1 year ago  ::  Feb 14, 2009 - 7:41AM #8
46chevytruck.com
Posts: 2

I've always just figured that all cars are worth exactly what someone is willing to pay for it.  Some may feel (as Jay Leno says) that people have more money than common sense but it does not change the fact that they paid that much for it to begin with.  It's a neat car.  Hopefully it will be brought back to where it can be driven again and not just tucked away or restored and put in a Private garage never to hit the road again. 

1 year ago  ::  Feb 14, 2009 - 5:18PM #9
Symco Shakedown
Posts: 3

Bugatti's are significant automobiles... it would be nice to see the car preserved as is and driven on occasion.


Mr. Bugatti would smile...

1 year ago  ::  Feb 15, 2009 - 8:55PM #10
John
Posts: 23

GLAD to read some reply's!!


Biff, I think you are right, "fools and their money", there is even an old 60's song by that name!!


But, that all goes back to the ABC syndrome, these people usually have everything their heart has


ever desired at this stage of their lives., why not?


I respect the Bugatti as a Jewel or Rembrandt , I do agree with you that it doesn't carry the real lavish


style as other Rembrandts, but it is BUGATTI ! 


    SHOW IT & DON'T LOCK IT AWAY !!!!


That kind of brings me back to what 46 Chev & Symco wrote.


If this Rembrandt will clean up good enough by being toooth brushed to death and hand cleaned/polished


everywhere with polish, I say leave it alone as a un-restored, as is,  masterpiece and story!!


After all, how many TRUE ORIGINALS of it's kind even exist????


It would be my guess that the elite & wealthy may just considered it to be like an original untouched or


unrestored Rembrandt, maybe a true original exchanges hands for higher value because of the total


Originalty and Rarety?


Fools and their money, who and the heck knows these days????


At least, as condolence to us all, these same elite and wealthy people have a very true appreciation


for "our cars and hobbies",  I like to think that We are all car guys and we all appreciate


automobiles, unfortunatly mine is a champaign taste on a beer budget, oh well, back to breaken


my knuckles!!!!!!!


Till next time


 


  


 

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